The former Kimkins Admin Tippy Toes created Camp Carbaway in December last year when she left Kimkins. It was supposed to be a "safe" place for Kimkins "refugees". I never figured out what it would be "safe" from, more than that Tippy herself needed a place where she would be accepted as the majority of the lowcarb community shunned her at that point.
From all indications, Tippy intended to make this into a business, registering an LLC and charging a $19.95 membership fee after the initial, free registration. That didn't work out. Who would pay to join her board when there are so many free boards available? I think she had greatly overestimated her popularity.
She turned the board over to Brian and Heather, the couple she had brought with her from Kimkins that helped her set it up. Tippy stayed on as an admin.
The board did not grow. It remained a small place with some 100 members with probably not more than half of them active. It was mainly calm for a long time, with just a few bannings here and there.
Personally, I had guessed a year for the board's existence. It is very hard to keep a board alive with so few members. People drop out due to other priorities in life, and when fewer and fewer people participate, it generally just fizzles out due to lack of interest.
That didn't happen. The Camp went out with a bang. And what was the cause? The rumor blames Tippy.
It seems that Tippy has learned nothing from her previous experiences. She brings drama wherever she goes. She is an expert at turning people against each other by working behind the scenes.
The rumor further says that first Tippy was stripped of her Admin powers but when not even that helped, they are shutting down the board and starting over without Tippy.
Now, the only refugee is really Tippy. Where is she going to show up next? Will she be welcome? Trying to join some board anonymously will not work. Her writing style is much too distinct, as is her method of operation.
Saturday, October 11, 2008
Camp Carbaway Closing
Sunday, August 3, 2008
Kimkins in Diets in Review
I came across this article, and while I read it back then, I found it interesting to refresh my memory. You might too.
Direct from Kimkins - Rebuttal
by Jimmy C
October 8, 2007
posted to Diet News and Diets in Review.
UPDATE:
Diets in review has received a rebuttal to our review from Jeannie Baitinger - Kimkins PR Director.
Dear Jim,
Thank you for giving Kimkins.com the opportunity to present our side of the story.
First please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jeannie Baitinger and on the website I am known as Tippy Toes. I am employed by Kimkins.com as PR Director and as management.
We know we are under attack from various sources. But many of these sources are coming from people who have only heard about our diets and have not actually tried them. The effect has been much like a snowball effect of people who genuinely mean well but are not actual members. Much is based on hear say and negative publicity.
Moreover, we offer no calorie limits on any plan. There are no 500 calorie per day plans. No plan is 100% fat free. We do allow the individual to use common sense when adding healthy fats and we term this as “just enough fat to make it work”. We do not promote starvation of any kind and we never will. We encourage members to stick within the plan guidelines and further, we encourage them to add extra protein and possibly extra salads if they are still hungry or not feeling well.
We do not encourage or promote laxative abuse. However, it is not at all uncommon for a low carb diet plan to cause constipation. When a member complains we have recommended gentle stimulants such as M.O.M. or 100% physillium husks. There is also a tea which is helpful in relieving symptoms. We will never recommend laxatives as part of weight loss plans. Never!
Additionally we do encourage our members to have their Doctor’s review the plans and monitor their progress. Many, many members report excellent lab reviews and Doctor’s blessings. On our website I have never seen anything but positive reviews. On other websites I read the negatives but without offered proof. What I do read are stories of hair loss. This seems common on a lot of diets. Even the Atkins diet can cause this. When I did Atkins it happened to me. Oddly, I never lost hair doing Kimkins though. But again, hair loss is easily corrected and people who have their Doctor’s monitoring progress can address the issue and get help. I would find it rather bizarre to lose huge chunks of my hair and still continue with any diet WITHOUT seeing my Doctor immediately. So I must question why there are no medical claims based on proof…
I am personally a Kimkins success story. I began my weight loss journey at 263 lbs. I am a female of 5′ 7″. I began losing weight with the Atkins diet (also quite con-traversal) and did well on it for about a year. I lost approximately 50 lbs on Atkins and then it stopped working. For the next 6 months I lost no further weight or inches. A dear friend told me about the Kimkins diet and I decided to give it a try. The weight came off just as promised! EXACTLY as promised! I made a personal choice to begin alternating Kimkins diet with Atkins. On Kimkins I could lose the weight and on Atkins breaks I could easily maintain it. Today my current weight is 152. Maintaining my weight has never been so easy thanks to a low carb lifestyle.
Our website is full of happy success stories much like mine. Many people have no trouble doing only Kimkins straight to goal. I have seen amazing losses–as much as 100lbs in 5 months. These big losses are quite common at Kimkins. Side effects appear minimal and as stated previously we do encourage everyone to have their Doctor’s monitor them every step of the way.
Our members are not uneducated people being mislead. We just completed a Teacher’s Challenge and the entire group lost an unbelievable amount of weight. The teacher’s group had planned to make a public donation to fund teachers but with all the negative publicity they have opted for private donations instead. It is not at all uncommon for Internet users to wish to remain private. That is why many choose a nickname rather than using a real name.
As far as the founder of Kimkins.com is concerned and with all due respect, most members really don’t care who she really is or is not. We believe the founder has every right to privacy and further we believe she is entitled to such. Her real name and weight is not an issue to people who are serious about weight loss and finally are able to make it happen. People buy a membership for their own weight loss and that is what they get. Weight loss. Our claim “there is no faster weight loss plan” is very accurate.
I will be more than happy to issue you a temporary site pass if you would like to come in and see what is really happening for yourself. Just let me know if you are interested in the real truth. It’s pretty amazing!
Sincerely,
Jeannie Baitinger, PR
Kimkins.con
Katey Oct 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
This is white-washing nonsense. I was a member of Kimkins. Members were told to eat their fill of lowfat protein. The ketosis kicks in very strong on that diet, and the appetite completely disappears.
Most Kimkins members, including admins and “star” losers provided their FitDay links. All of them were getting around 500 calories per day, sometimes less. I questioned this on the forums and was told that all the calories I needed would come from my excess body fat.
As far as members not really caring who Kimmer is….also nonsense. Plenty of members cared, and voiced their concerns on the forums. But you won’t see those posts, because they are immediately DELETED and the posters banned. (Yes, BANNED, after paying for a “lifetime” membership.)
Susan Oct 8th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Jeannie is terribly misleading. I sent my diet log personally to Kimmer/Heidi and was instructed to reduce my calories (running around 700 at the time) and my protein “If I wanted faster losses.”
When I was a member on KimKins, I complained that I was stalling due to starvation mode and was chastized that there was no such thing! All I had to do was lower my calories further!
Constipated? Take 1/2 the usual dose of Milk of Magnesia daily, that’ll keep the pipes working.
This coming from Heidi/Kimmer, an obese woman who enticed us with fake photos and her own fake FitDay diet weight loss log & journal. Makes me question everything now.
I CARE about who this Kimmer is, if she based the diet on years of lies and her own faked before and after photos, that diet plan lost all credibility. I am now banned from Kimins for having a different view of that diet. I discovered she faked most of the Success stories.
ANYONE having a different view of that diet or questions anything will have their posts removed and then eventually they too, will go *POOF*. So much for paying for a lifetime membership.
You will find NO dissenters as you read the Kimkins posts, they simply are not allowed to exist. You will however find posts from the new administrators that will say “Who cares who this Kimmers WAS…this diet works!”
Candace Oct 8th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
This article is pure rubbish. I was a member of Kimkins when it first started and I tried their original Boot Camp Diet. It was 500 calories per day at that time. It is only recently that they have recommended more calories, and a paltry 800 calories per day at that.
Kimkins is a diet based upon a big fat lie. There is no Kimmer who lost 198 lbs in 11 months. The woman behind the diet is an obese fraud. The diet has been grossly misrepresented and success stories proven to be fraudulent. This diet is unsafe and unhealthy. There is only one nugget of truth to this post.
Where Tippy says “On our website I have never seen anything but positive reviews.” Anyone who dares question the diet, the founder or posts any negative effects are quickly banned from the forum without a warning or a refund.
I would urge anyone considering Kimkins to do their research. There are healthy lowcarb plans out there that are safe and that work. Please consider Atkins or Southbeach.
unhappyexkimkin Oct 8th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
What utter rubbish Jeannie (Tiptytoes) is spewing. Up until a few weeks ago when the media began investigating Kimkins the slogan of the site and members was “SNATT” which stands for Slightlky Nauseous All The Time. It was encouraged and cheered on by admins, other members and the Kimmer herself.
I bought the lifetime membership based on Kimmer’s success story of losing over a hundred pounds and finding out she is a morbidly obese fraud and con artist with criminal convictions was not my idea of who to take nutritional advice from.
I lurked for months on the site and saw firsthand Kimmer and other admins advising members to cut calories, take laxatives daily and that if your bowels only moved once a week it was fine. They actually sold T-shirts with the SNATT logo. You were berated if you ate over 500 calories a day and the notion of starvation mode was laughed at.
I could go on but there is enough information out there on the lies and eating disorder type strategies on the Internet already. Kimkins has been sanitized and cleaned up to cover up the real plan that is advocated. It is not sound nor healthy and most importantly it is not safe.
I hope that once the various authorities who are undergoing investigations conclude the site will be shut down and proper criminal charges laid against all who perpetuated this dangerous fraud and I do hope desperate people like me who want to lose weight find other healthier plans to follow. I am paying with my health for my months trying to follow Kimkins as laid out. I pray no one else is as foolish as I was.
Really? Oct 8th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
>But many of these sources are coming from people who have only heard about our diets and have not actually tried them. As far as the founder of Kimkins.com is concerned and with all due respect, most members really don’t care who she really is or is not.
yes REALLY! Oct 9th, 2007 at 2:21 am
The members who Do care who the Kimmer really is, are instantly banned. We Have tried the diet and we Do have serious comlications from the diet.
Clumps of hair falling out due to the malnutrition, slow metabolism and rapid pulse, no energy and fainting. Impaired thyroid function. Yoppy even has that now.
Dr. Broda Barnes was the doctor who did most of the testing on hypothyroid individuals and metabolisms. It’s not JUST those with autoimmune hypothyroidism either (Hashimoto’s). Dr. B (and Dr. Atkins much later) found that when you lower your carbs less than 30net, AND your calories to less than 1200, that your T4 to T3 conversion is almost nonexistent and can trigger Hashimoto’s as well as tertiary hypothyroidism.
Subjects who ate well OVER 1600 to 1800 calories a day with 25net grams carbs did quite well. Subjects who ate well over 100 grams carbs and about 1400 cals a day did well too.
and now we have that idiot hick Tippy telling us to us our diet to 800 cals.
IdontThinkSo Oct 9th, 2007 at 7:42 am
This rebuttal is misleading, to say the least. When I joined I had no idea that the impressive before/after pictures and stories were fraudulent, the pictures taken from online Russian bride and groom sites. I had no idea that the inspiring after pictures of the site’s founder were also fake. I, like many, do care who Kimmer is. I based my decision to join on those stories, those pictures, and her claim of losing nearly 200 pounds and maintaining that loss for several years. I paid for her experience, support, and guidance following a plan that I was to find was not based on her success at all.
Members were told to lower already low calories. Members were told to take Milk of Magnesia at half dose, daily. Members were told that the calories they needed would be taken from their excess body weight/fat. “Tweaking” the plan to suit your needs was frowned upon. If you tweaked it, it wasn’t Kimkins. I read those posts during my time as a member of Kimkins. SNATT (semi-nauseous all the time) was applauded and available for purchase, printed on tee shirts.
I agree with one thing said in the rebuttal above. You will find many happy success stories but that is not due to a lack of dissatisfaction. Jeannie Baitinger says, “On our website I have never seen anything but positive reviews.” If this is true then I would guess that she has spent much of her time on the site with here eyes closed. Members who have questioned the validity of this diet, the founder, the advice given, or stated health concerns or health issues were deemed trouble makers and have had their posts deleted and were banned without warning. One needs only search the internet to find the truth.
Sherrie Oct 9th, 2007 at 7:51 am
Yes shes right, there are plenty of people whom haven’t tried the diet…
BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS!!!
You don’t need to try the diet to make a judgment on it, you just need to be able to read.
500 calorie bootcamp with 30min daily cardio MINIMUM
800 max calorie protein shake plan where you can choose to use standard protein shakes, no mention of adding fat and Kimmer herself has recommended her members to do a 450 cal version for faster weight loss, calling it her fastest plan.
1000 calorie vegetarian plan.
To top that off Kimmer has given out very dangerous advice.
Plus her other two plans being so low fat particularly her lean meat and egg only plan often come to below 500 calories or close for a lot of members due to something they encourage called SNATT (semi nauseous all the time). Just ask their former PR Director, Christin, ask her how she lost her weight and how KIMMER encouraged her members to copy what Christin was doing!!! Ask Christin how healhy she has been feeling lately!
Apparently, they are now stating an 800 calorie minimum (publicly) but this is only because of an impending lawsuit, TV expose and various investigations. Now Kimmer encourages the members to email Kimmer at her gmail account for “Ask Kimmer” questions… SCARY!
Laura Dec 1st, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Isn’t it interesting that the one who posted the rebuttal has now jumped ship?
http://2big4mysize.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/has-tippy-toes-flipped/
http://2medusa.blogspot.com/2007/12/tippytoes-spills-beans.html
If you were a paid member of the Kimkins.com website and you would like to participate in the Class Action Lawsuit against Kimkins:
http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/
To see the latest information from the KTLA investigation:
http://tinyurl.com/2voac6
[link added by me goes to Insider Exclusive]
Say NO to Kimkins Jan 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Please update your article to reflect that Jeannie Baitinger in NO LONGER the Kimkins PR Director.
You might want to contact her to see if she still feels the same way about her rebuttal. I have a feeling that she does not.
Kimmer Jan 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Please be advised that Jeannie continues to follow and support the Kimkins Plan today.
She simply left Kimkins in order to help spread the word via her own Kimkins-based website. She has my blessing and full support for her Kimkins CTF Diet.
Jeannie is still a very strong Kimkins supporter, and she remains my right hand here at Kimkins. Kimkins would not be the success it is today without all the hard work and support that Jeannie has given me and continues to give me on a daily basis.
If your life has been benefitted by the Kimkins Diet, you owe a great debt to Jeannie and all her hard work.
I couldn’t have achieved all that I have achieved without the monumental contributions made by Jeannie.
She is a fine testament of the proof that the Kimkins Diet is working miracles for thousand of obese men and woman every day.
2BIG Jan 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
interesting post Kimmer. too bad Jeannie saw it and has sent a rebuttal of her own to your rebuttal of her leaving Kimkins.com
here it is for folk not realizing DIETSINREVIEW has moved the Kimmer commnet out as a page of its own
Jeannie Baitinger
Jan 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I am friggen stunned! I just don’t know what else to say. Cutting/reducing fats from Atkins does not make it Kimkins. I have done both and I know the difference.
First, I am in no way affiliated with Kimkins. In fact, I don’t even visit the site. Check the stats for yourselves. I will try to make this very clear. I left Kimkins to avoid being dragged into a lawsuit and a serious one at that. It is not my intent to bad mouth Heidi or her Kimkins plans. That is NOT saying I support her or any fraud she has done.
I am not following Kimkins diet. I am at goal. I did re-gain a tad over the holidays. I tried STILLMAN’S Quick Weight Loss and took it off. I do believe in freedom of plan choice and I will never bully or harass anyone for their plan of choice. As far as Kimkins plans, yes I did lose weight and a lot of it. No one wants to hear it but I will not lie about it. I have no reason to. I stalled on Atkins after about a 50lb loss. I tried Kimkins but learned I just couldn’t stay on it long. But I also saw weight loss for the first time in a very long time. So, I learned to cycle it back and forth–Kimkins to lose–Atkins to maintain. There are threads at LCF which show this though they are mostly overlooked. :Smiley A matter of convenience I am certain. Check the thread “Has Atkins Quit Working For You”. It’s all there. Another thread I posted a lot on was Support Unlimited. And for a while Banta Babes. Some say that was never Kimkins… But on a Kimkins cycle round it WAS.
Because I did lose a lot of weight using Kimkins I have not asked her to remove my success story. I know that is going to make a lot of people mad to read but that is how I feel. It is fair. I have not had contact with Heidi about my pics, my story or anything else. All ties are severed. We do not communicate by email, telephone or 3rd parties. And while I have been granted immunity from the lawsuit in exchange for cooperating I have not joined the lawsuit nor do I want my money refunded. I just want to be left in peace from all sides. This has been a nightmare.
A family member has started reading all the blogs and such about me and is now worried to death over it all. He didn’t need that at all. He has had one stroke previously and suffers from other health and stress problems. My daughter started reading it too and is very angry over the obvious lies. In fact, my entire family is worried sick for me. People who do not know me at all are repeating the lies. It is sickening of the joy some get from attempts to ruin a person’s life. I don’t understand it.
I had no idea when I left Kimkins that I would be starting a site. In fact, I looked into Amy’s site as a new home and was instantly banned thanks to LCF members who are determined I am not worthy of support, even though I have supported so many of them on my weight loss journey. This is what lead to Brian and Heather offering to build us our very own “home” and that is how Camp Carbaway was born. There was no master plot happening at Kimkins. We can all clearly see how people who follow her diets are treated by the other low carb communities. IF she should be forced to shut her doors due to the lawsuit her people are most assuredly welcome here. In fact, I don’t care if they want to be members of both. That is their right.
Further, I find it surprising that Heidi would want us to offer Kimkins plans here as she sent Brian an email with a hint she would sue anyone for copycatting her plans. And, after all, they do belong to her. I respect that. Because of that I find it hard to imagine that Heidi would write that at all… And I suspect she did not. What I do suspect is just another person claiming glory to once again put a dagger in the middle of my back. Seems my suffering is their joy.
UPDATE 2
After posting this, it was brought to my attention that Tippy had made a new comment with a disclaimer:
Jeannie baitinger
Aug 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Just a note to update my view of the Kimkins diet. I have recently been made aware of serious health complications that may be caused from following Kimkins diet. I urge anyone who is following this diet plan to discontinue the diet until you have the chance to speak with your Physician about the plan.
Please tell your Physician your calorie and carb counts and provide a detailed menu with portion sizes and exact amounts. Be sure the Physician knows how long you have been using the diet and how much weight you plan to lose. Many times we say low carb veggies and lean meats that sounds great but when broken down into the diets guidelines may prove to be dangerous.
I would no longer advise anyone to follow the diet at this time after seeing examples of health problems in members who’s Doctor’s feel is likely is a matter of complication from following Kimkins. There are many low carb diets available with great results as well that have not been linked to the complications that may be from Kimkins. Atkins, when done properly is one, Protein Power is yet another.
I recommend before starting any diet, it is written and approved by the founding Physician or health professional as well as your own. I no longer endorse Kimkins Diets.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Kimkins Legal Troubles
Metabolife's former CEO sentenced to 6 months
Ellis pleaded guilty to misleading FDA
By Mike Freeman
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
June 10, 2008
The former chief executive of dietary supplement maker Metabolife International was sentenced to six months in federal prison yesterday for lying to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration regarding an ephedra-based weight-loss product.
Michael J. Ellis, 55, pleaded guilty in November to one count of making false statements to the FDA in 1999 about Metabolife 356. In addition to prison time, U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones Jr. ordered Ellis to pay a $20,000 fine.
According to prosecutors, Ellis and the company sent letters to the federal agency saying they had “never received a notice from a consumer that any serious adverse health event has occurred because of the ingestion of Metabolife 356.”
Metabolife's own documents showed that it had received many reports from consumers of seizures, heart attacks, strokes, loss of consciousness and other serious illnesses, said the U.S. Attorney's Office.
At the time Metabolife was saying it had a “claims-free history,” the FDA was considering tighter regulations on products containing ephedra. Metabolife was one of the largest dietary supplement companies in the United States, largely based on sales of Metabolife 356.
In 2002, the company turned over reports of 14,000 ephedra-related events that the company had previously not disclosed to the FDA. The FDA eventually banned ephedra, and in 2004, Ellis and Metabolife were indicted on several counts of making false statements.
Metabolife filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization in July 2005 in the wake of hundreds of civil lawsuits.
Ellis' lawyer, Charles La Bella, said Ellis is no longer working in the dietary supplement industry.
Ellis chose to plead guilty to close this chapter in his life and move on, La Bella said, because the lawsuits and bankruptcy cases are no longer pending.
“That's why it was important that he get this behind him,” La Bella said. “He's happy this is over and he can get on with the rest of his life.”
The Class Action Lawsuit against Kimkins is for fraud and has nothing to do with adverse health events.
However, legal actions by the FDA might follow. While Kimkins does not sell any supplements, promoting dangerous diet practices might not be all that legal either. Dieters following Kimkins and the advice given by Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) reportedly have suffered hair loss, heart palpitations, dizziness, thrashed thyroid, etc. Not to mention the documented promotion of laxative abuse.
Tippy Toes, a former Admin, has admitted to seeing reports of adverse health events. She didn't believe them, but she did see them. I am sure Heidi Diaz did too. She better not lie to the FDA about it.
Sunday, June 8, 2008
Tippy Toes about Kimkins
The previous PR director of Kimkins left the company in December 2007 and started her own diet forum, Camp Carbaway. While the forum initially may have been intended as a business, it is now just another free private bulletin board that only requires invitation.
Tippy has not officially denounced the Kimkins Diet as being unsound. When she first left Kimkins, she supposedly still believed in the diet, with the only change that it should be at least 800 calories (which is still a starvation level but just misses the label VLCD, Very Low Calorie Diet).
Her forum caters primarily to ex-kimkins dieters and Tippy has not made any effort to strongly discourage the Kimkins diet. The closest she came was the other day when she responded to a hard core KK promoter in the Camp, but it's still not saying NOT to do Kimkins.
"Hi XXXX. I can understand your questions, believe me. I too was a KK supporter--so much so I am a former PR Director for the website. There was a time I thought KK was the magic bullet as I could no longer lose weight and was not yet to the half way point on my journey. Now I see other options that could have helped and I am trying to present them all here for KKers. Always more than one road to a destination.
I too showed the original KK plan to my own Doctor. She didn't blink an eye but did write me a list of supplements to buy as I continued KK. The supplements were from vitaminshopp.com and were their brand vitamin C, 1000mg 3x a day, one flax, one country life brand vitamin and 2 country life brand minerals. I believe strongly in these supplements and continue to take them to this day even though I will not use KK diets ever again. I also ate red meats--just leaner cuts.
While at KK as PR I did hear stories... And I really thought they were just stories. I heard of hair loss. What I didn't realize was that it was not just normal hair shedding...
(Tippy shares some details about members that I hope she had their permission to do. I will not repeat them here.)
And there is Christin, the first PR Director who made the cover of Women's World Mag with her amazing 100lb loss in 5 months. You bet she starved it off. I followed her old posts around KK and I was mad at her for teaching others to starve, drinking water to make the hunger go away, ect. I know NOW she was following the directions provided by her boss--Kimmer. Christin is hanging in there but she has been hospitalized for heart palpatations, lost more hair than many, her menstral cycles were messed up and here is the really bad part which has carried over with her--she cannot consume over 1200 calories a day without regaining. And this has been under medical supervision, with help from a Nutritionist even. Her weight management is a daily struggle and she is unsure how her health will hold up later. She has two small children to raise and I know she is scared to death of what time may bring. We are all hoping for the best for her, of course.
Now, about the plan... Yes it does lack nutrients we need and yes supplements can help with that. But I am not convinced they can provide all of the missing pieces. And my experience with KK was hitting a lot of miserable stalls. I would cycle to Atkins and just maintain for a while rather than continue on. It was too hard to not see results. However, I saw advice given to others at KK to keep going--try cutting this and that out (usually fats somewhere)... Now, if we start on the highest 800 calorie side (which I added to the plan when I was PR, BTW--calories were 500 a day prior to my arrival) and we begin to subtract as we progress and slow down we are simply going back to the old ways of KK--and most do. Maybe not you and I hope not. That is what is called the dangerous "plan behind the plan". There is a blogger, 2big4mysize (link added by me) who has written of the nutrients lacking. Her blog is worth reading and I have posted some of her info here.
Back in the day over at LCF Kimmer came on the scene with Kimkins. She claimed to be 118lbs and said she had maintained her 198lb weight loss for 5 years. She gave people her plan to try, which I know now was her "experiment". As folks would stall she would tell them to cut back lower and lower and she did promote daily laxitive use to "keep things going". She also advocated fasting for very long periods of time including her infamous diet coke fast which she claimed "If I had to do it all again I would lose all the weight doing a diet coke fast...". Clearly she was fishing for her next guinie pig to try it. I hope no one did! And some were using her plan under her direction and were under 500 calories a day in many cases. The head admin, Cheri, from LCF stepped in and told Kimmer that was not enough calories and to please direct them to eat more and she said no--the calories were fine.
Then the private investigator stuff came out and it was discovered that Kimmer was not 118lbs at all. In fact, in a recent depo given by her son, he says Kimmer has never lost weight--ever. You can find the PI pics of her at LCF and in many anti KK blogs.
My conculsion here is that this is a plan written by a liar and a scammer who didn't really care about anyone's health at all. She wanted to see her plan as a success is all--at any expense to others. Keep in mind after all, she was not following KK herself as she was telling everyone. For her it was all about conditioning desperate overweight women who would eventually pay her for her bad advice.
Now, here is some facts I have gathered. If a person does Atkins, the basic guidelines for induction are 60%fats, 30% protein and 10% carbs. The ongoing weight loss phase is a 50/30/20 %. Maintenance is 40/30/30. Run your figures in fitday and see where you really are to these figures. If you are doing the updated KK plan, you may not be so far off. And I am curious. So if you will post your % I will be interested in seeing them.
How many calories are you getting in a day? What % of fats, carbs and proteins do you average? These are figures your Doctor needs to see. Yes the diet looks pretty good on paper until you dig in deeper.
All that said, you may still stay here and continue to use your KK plan. We don't want you to feel you are the only one here following KK--many still do. My hopes is for everyone to stay safe. And I am not trying to lecture anyone as I have been there and done that too. I hope to find a balance that is healthier for everyone that works as well. Some say Atkins is too high in fats but looking at the % given to me by Atkins Center, not really after induction. If lowering most fats produces rapid weight loss at first, moderate and slow weight loss later, than what would happen if we just reduced fats by a little instead of so much? The menus would be much more enjoyable, we would learn a way to eat that we can keep forever and perhaps keep our health. I am working on this and doing an experiement with Atkins myself. See my journal if you get a chance."
Tippy, I am still waiting for you to officially declare the Kimkins Diet being nutritionally bankrupt and that you don't encourage anyone to follow it. And, that you are sorry you ever did.
Wednesday, April 9, 2008
Jimmy Moore's Forum Hacked - Again
The Kimkins Saga continues to generate weirdness. Jimmy Moore's forum, lowcarbdiscussion, is populated by a large number of dieters that left Kimkins including most of the former Admins.
A few months ago, Jimmy's forum was down for a short period of time. Reportedly it was hacked.
Today (or yesterday?) it happened again and to a much more severe degree, it seems.
I received an email in my Spam box. The email appeared to have been sent by lowcarbdiscussion. It included a link that led to a virus (or actually two). It was a rather clumsy attempt though as the virus link was very obvious. Who in their right mind would click on a link with the extension ".exe"? (Well, I did. I'm nosy. My virus filter is up to date and took it.)
When I first received the email, I went to Jimmy's blog and clicked on "forum". Hmm. Interesting. It had been totally scrubbed and contained just two threads, or subforums. One was about cocaine users and the other one about marijuana. Needless to say, I did not sign in and quickly exited.
Jimmy has now removed the link to the forum from his blog but make sure not to use your bookmark with a direct link.
I hope Jimmy get this straightened out without too much headache for him.
The question is WHO would do such a thing to Jimmy. Could it have anything to do with his forum providing shelter for Kimkins refugees? Will Tippy be next?
PS. If anybody think they might have downloaded the virus, AVG has a free virus software. Just google it.
Edited to add: Jimmy now has a post up where he gives the details.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
SingingLass wants Attention
SingingLass has been a member of LCF since 08/25/2004 and was posting, starting in June 2006, as a "regular" dieter until she joined Kimkins in June 2007.
Singing Lass has since made some posts on FWK, in support of Kimkins. But on March 16, Singing Lass chose to create a sockpuppet on LCF, LittleSina, drawing attention to the (Warning: Do not click on the AOL link. IP tracker on the site) AOL member page that hosts Singing Lass' old pictures and songs.
Perhaps Singing Lass wanted to show herself in a positive light, before the less flattering post would come up on AmyB's blog. Surely Singing Lass knew of what was to come. She is a psychic after all.
As Singing Lass wants attention, let's provide the links to other places where she has an online presence as well:
She is posting as MagicSong on the Work At Home Moms' Psychic Reader Forum where she is a member since 07/17/2006. I don't have the time (nor the interest) to wade through her 1000+ posts on this forum. However, I found it interesting that a year ago she "made fun" of how much more she was earning compared to her sister's "regular" job, but in March this year (2008) she was complaining that the payment in March would be a week later and that caused problems for her to pay her bills.
Singing Lass has a profile up on Kasamba where she uses the name PsychicMagicSong. She charges $9.99 per minute and claims to be an expert in "Soulmate Connections". She further says:
"I can provide readings on most any topic, however my personal favorite and strong area is with relationship issues. As a very strong empath/ borderline telepath I am able to look into people and discover who they are, and how they feel and see--and why."
Wow! Why would she then need to use sockpuppets on kimkins if she can "read" the members directly? No need for any disguise.
She continues:
"I can do readings on future circumstances--as well as present and past. I also can provide timelines for when things should happen. I estimate length of time much like judging the length of a piece of ribbon..I go from the present point and feel outwards along the "thread" to when the event will occur."
So can we get an accurate prediction for when Kimkins.com will close?
And lastly:
"Free will means that our lives are based off of the choices we make...and yes, impacted by the choices and actions of others as well."
Singing Lass might want to consider where her "free will" is presently leading her.
ETA: Thanks to MrsM for the LittleSina tip! (see comment on my earlier post)
Saturday, March 22, 2008
Singing Lass in the Spotlight
As an aspiring opera singer, Kimkins Admin Singing Lass, aka Delaney Deaver, most likely loves being in the spotlight. However, being in the spotlight of the Kimkins scandal is not going to be an accomplishment she would want to add to her resume.
Delaney has refused to leave Kimkins despite being encouraged to do so repeatedly by LCF posters and even her former "friend" and co-conspirator Tippy Toes.
Delaney doesn't seem to realize the trouble she is facing. By continuing to support a fraud, she may be liable for legal repercussions. Despite this, she is a staunch supporter of Kimmer and Kimkins and has appeared on national TV twice to support the Kimkins Diet.
The class action lawyer, Tiedt, plans to depose Singing Lass and any other Kimkins admins (even though I think the sock puppet Gary may be excused). If Delaney has not contacted a lawyer on her own by now, I suggest she probably should.
WHAT IS A DEPOSITION?
A deposition is one of the methods that lawyers can use to find out information to help prepare a case for trial. Normally, a deposition can be taken of anyone who may have relevant information about the facts of the case.
The person who is deposed is called the deponent. At your deposition, you are able to have your attorney present. Normally, the other lawyer is also present as is the opposing party. In the room also is a court reporter who will take notes and make sure that the deposition is properly recorded. The deposition can be recorded by tape, typed up with a special transcriber machine, and/or placed on videotape. You will be placed under oath and the attorney for the other side can ask you questions about your case. Your attorney will be able to object to the questions asked, if appropriate. After the deposition is completed, either side can ask that it be typed up (transcribed.)
The most important thing you can do at your deposition is to tell the truth. You are initially placed under oath and you have sworn to tell the "truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
Singing Lass might want to listen to Tippy Toes:
"You may not realize it, but the deposition is evidence that may be used against you in not only this lawsuit but any other(s) which may follow. You must tell the truth, of course. Claiming you barely talk to Heidi as you have done here may come back to haunt you later. You should be aware that your computer may be siezed as evidence. If you are caught lying on the depo in contrast to what will be found on your computer (deleted or not–it’s all still there and will surface) you may be held accountable for the Kimkins scam."
Edited to add:
Grilled Cheese with Pickles has a message for Singing Lass: Smarten Up!
Friday, March 21, 2008
Yucky is Ducky
That's what Tippy says.
But then Tippy has been wrong before. She had "proof" that Melly was Ducky. She had "proof" that the Banta Babes were out to "get her":
In a PM September 20th (my first blog post was Sept. 22 so that's not what she refers to as the "link"):
I also see some of the Banta are out to get me. Have no idea to this day what went wrong. Nor why they insist on inserting the knife into my back as deeply as it will go. I know who is behind the major slamming and it does link back to them. All I ever wanted was to see them all get to goal too. They seemed to want that at the time. So what--because the couldn't do it I am bad? Please.
What is Paranoid Personality Disorder?
Paranoid personality disorder is characterized by a distrust of others and a constant suspicion that people around you have sinister motives. People with this disorder tend to have excessive trust in their own knowledge and abilities and usually avoid close relationships. They search for hidden meanings in everything and read hostile intentions into the actions of others. They are quick to challenge the loyalties of friends and loved ones and often appear cold and distant. They usually shift blame to other people and tend to carry long grudges.
Symptoms of Paranoid Personality Disorder:
* Unwillingness to forgive perceived insults
* Excessive sensitivity to setbacks
* Distrustfulness and excessive self-reliance
* Projection of blame onto others
* Consumed by anticipation of betrayal
* Combative and tenacious adherence to personal rights
* Relentlessly suspicious
For who Ducky really is, see this post by Medusa: Just Ducky....
Thursday, March 20, 2008
Why Tippy left Kimkins
From an email posted on AmyB's blog:
In a message dated 11/28/2007 6:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, baitingerjeannie@yahoo.com writes:
Hi Delany. Sadly, I have made the decision to leave Kimkins. I do not want to be called in for deposition as you know. So I am out. Makes me sad but I have to protect myself.
How are you doing? Did you see the pics of her house??? I can’t open them cause even using the cloak the pics know I am banned. I’ll get someone to send them.
I admit I was stunned she had 1.6 million in cash. I am also stunned she paid cash for both cars when she was telling me she can’t make the car payment. Really, that lie was the deal breaker for me to stick myself in the noose for her. She had a chance to come clean and we both helped her make a fresh start. So why? Why lie to us? Is this just habitual? I just can’t say…
What will you do now? And I see Gary is MIA too.
To promote a nutritionally deficient diet to members and to defraud people of money by banning them didn't bother Tippy at all. She is only thinking about herself.
Tippy: Why don't you go over to and read the stories on Kimkins Survivors. I assure you that they are not "fictional charactors". These are REAL people that were HURT by Kimmer and by YOU.
Saturday, March 8, 2008
Martina's Martini
Martina's Martini that first appeared as a troll on LCF has since been identified as John Essex, an ex-husband to one of the principals on the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit.
In a post by Prudentia, it was suggested that John was "a person who was simply trying to lend aid to the cause of taking down Kimkins and Heidi Diaz in the only way they knew how. This person feared detection and so they attempted to communicate in a cryptic and at times a seemingly nonsensical fashion."
While Prudentia's post apparently resulted in establishing a communication with John Essex, I'm still at a loss to figure out what the purpose of it all was. Especially the posts on LCF. As they were deleted from there, I have recreated them here in my blog. My hope is that a Duck smarter than I may provide some insight to what they may mean.
You may also want to review the posts on Prudentia that followed her discussion with John:
May Martina's Martini Rest in Peace
Double-Minded...
Was I Duped?
Hello, Martina's Martini. We Meet Again.
What Happened to Honor Anyway
Don't miss the comments to Yucky's post:
po sledam Martina's Martini
And, there is bound to be updates on Medusa's new post:
NEWS FLASH!!! MARTINA'S MARTINI REVEALED...
John's LCF posts follow. Why would a person that has not met his ex-wife, the principal in the lawsuit, for over nine years dedicate so much time to research Kimkins and the Ducks? He seems to have intimate knowledge, not only of recent events, but has also looked into the history (mentioning Tippy Toes for example).
And, why is it that every time the Magic Chicken Diet is being discussed on LCF, trolls appear?
Martina's Martini
Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 11 (that remains after the thread was scrubbed)
02-11-2008, 01:49 PM
Kimmer did JFK
Did you guys also know that Kimmer was on the Grassy Knoll too???/ Geeze, sweet Geezers...MM
02-11-2008, 01:55 PM
I lost 650 lbs on the magic chicken diet.
Did you know, one time...at BANNED Camp, I met a bunch of chicks livin in Los Angels that starred in a movie with Jimmy Snores, and they did a movie where they were eating La Vida Carb Chocolate Bars and......uh..... They were Medusas, and Marisols, and Youtbes of a fat Kimmer,, and uh....Some chick in
02-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Oh Forgot the DUCKS,
Quack you people....Quack......
Dosent ANYONE honestly understand....THIS MATTER IS IN A COURT OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!. Let the LAW deal with the whole situation..
LIFE...IS TOO SHORT FOR EVERYONE TO BECOME CONSUMED WITH THIS DAMN ISSUE!
02-11-2008, 02:07 PM
No.....BECAUSE
Nope, Been watching this subject for months. Now mind you, they are things in this world that makes ya go...hmmm.. just like Mayberry friend has said, but cmon seriously. Life really is to short. I have seen how this has passionately enraged everyone.
MM
besides that, happiness, is the total revenge on someone that has done ya wrong.
02-11-2008, 02:09 PM
Yeah Lisa, I don't spell very good either
It doesnt take a biochemist to change the world either.
Bill Gates, didnt give a damn about bio-chem in college
mm
02-11-2008, 02:10 PM
Your Very Cute though Lisa,
Smart and Cute
02-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Thats EXACTLY WHAT I mean
Look, lots of things are, and have been happining behind all the scenes of this situation.
For those who DO, believe in Kharma, and God, do ya think this Kimmer person, will EVER be happy with herself.
Besides, EVERYONE who has had an effort in bringing this chick, and the site to Justice, to the courts. EVERYONE has had a hand in doing the right thing, and sending people to a healthier lifestyle. PEOPLE... don't forget the insanities. Since this began, it can be safely said, that by the pay it forward posts....THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE...Dieting will do it safely now.
If you have not began to steer the younger folks of the Nation away, then that should be a bigger focal point of efforts.
Yes, it is like trying to stop a wildfire, but these posts keep going more and more,,, and it drives people emotionally,,, which is not healthy,,,Psychologically.
MM
02-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Troll??? actually Im a GORGOUS LESBIAN!
Ugh, now cmon Kat In Sac, you know they are lots and lots opf things going on behind the scenes
MM
02-11-2008, 02:34 PM
A Sad Post sufferer from the Kimkins Situation.
Yeah that bout seems to be all their is about it. Innocent Bystander who for all its efforts, still seem to be a distant observer. When this matter does get resolved,,, maybe,, just maybe I'll reveal some sad but true...well truths. Yeah, I started drinkin again over again because of this. I found out about these situations, totally by accident, but in the postscripts of all that I have seen, It has deffinately not only stirred up my emotions. Dont take it the wrong way people. This diet, is dangerous, but they are more, and more, that know one really knows the cost of.
I am proud though, for the people involved taking a stand. That is how
The subject matter though really is far from over. The parties and the lines have been drawn. We can only hope for a conclusion one day. They are life after a Kimkins diet.... A kimkins Lawsuit. In the mix is a secret of the existance of something. It is a life eternal that people need to understand, no matter their size.
I will continue to watch, learn, evaluate, and from time to time giggle.
I have never been on a diet in my life before, but this whole situation people, a chicken has come home to root from my life history, and I'd like to know what drove it. So, yeah I'll keep my mouth shut for now, but guys, You have done good work, AND PEOPLE... have LISTENED.
MM
02-11-2008, 02:40 PM
MJR OMG
WOW, didn't think I was gonna be a lightning Rod this fast....WOW,
See, that's a giggle on this end for me so far today.
MM
02-11-2008, 02:46 PM
Yes TERRY You are right,
Naw Terry,
They aint no secret codes. And yeah,,, EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE here that have wrote about the blogs and posts so intelligently about it HAS DONE good work. I think a few months ago when the gal from USC was doing research on this matter. I THINK SHE GOT TOTALLY OVERWHELMED over this whole matter, becasue, yeah Like I said before, THIS IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA POWERFUL, well that and Ronald Reagan, but...cmon now. Sometimetimes this matter,, has so enraged people.....
Anger, is not good. A hert in your heart isn't good.
SOmetimes,,, Everyone, step back from that anger moment on some of these issues. Justice is coming, slow but sure, in the meantime,
TERRY......
LOTS OF GREAT PEOPLE IVE MET AND SPOKEN TO........Great People....that have done GREAT WORK........
I like all people, I just dont wanna see them totally enthrualled.
MM
02-11-2008, 02:50 PM
On your blog
On your blog you were quoting a "troll" that was stopping by.LOL\
Good blog btw,
MM
02-11-2008, 02:51 PM
And another thing,
I do like cheese snadwiches with Pickles......
MM
02-11-2008, 02:56 PM
UH,,,,,,,,Yeah thats Right.
And at my favorite bar, is my favorite drink called...A MARTINA'S MARTINI... So yeap,, you guessed it.......
And naw,, not a "TROLL" as everyone says.... I have justa been readin,,, puttin two and two together,, going.. HOLY COW........or well.. Holy DUCKS!!!!..
One of the thing that is so interesting bout all this is the collection of people. VERY VERY GOOD WRITING....
and well,, yeah I do feel bad about the situation with the diet thing, because, at one time, I had a friend named Karen, that died because of her diet, she did die of anerexia.
MM
02-11-2008, 03:06 PM
AND THAT... IS WHAT MAKES "YOU" A GREAT AMERICAN!!!!!!!!
Well yeah, Kat In SAC,
But can I ask ya a question though... This "CHICKEN LADY" or whatever with the very same,, sorta web design.....What if she is Kimmer?????
Listen, KIMMMER,, got a hell of alot of money. In that one boost.. that one boost from sales from the almost free ad... this broad made 1.6 million or something like that. Ya got chicks like singinlass or what ever the hell her name is still going ra ra ra for her..etc etc....
What about the.."OTHER S#*@&%$@ BAGS" of the world,, that copy the same type scam over and o ver again. Can John Stop ALL OF THEM???????
Look, PT BARNUM,,,, the guy was the model of scam...false this false that...But he sprang a crap of PT Barnum wanna be's......
I forgot who said it... but cmon,, wildfires are HARD to put out....Has anyone,, and I mean anyone,, got to the very core of whiping out ANY DIET SCAMMING people....
For all I've read, honestly,, they are a scemmin La Vida guy out there,, doing his dammdest to pick up the old customers of Kimkins.....
Kimkins,, is just the start of it........they are many many layers to this onion,, because they are a buck to be made.
MM
02-11-2008, 03:15 PM
Who the hell is Hulon?????
Yeah I know people, Your thinkin the Chicken lady is Kimmer again, if that is true, then have John tear into them. Just don't change the duck thing becasue, well that is too damn cute.
MM
PS...Who the hell is Hulon???
02-11-2008, 03:19 PM
And Yeah other Terry,I'm a real Person
Yeah Other Terry Im a real person, and yeah, been impacted by this whole Kimkins thing. Just not gonna let no one know bout it. Not a litigant, could care less whther the dumb mentaly ill broad goes strait to jail. Just, ya know,, like I said, Everyone........Do NOT let this turn to an anger issue,,, to your hearts....To many blogs I been readin bout people feeling guilty over leading people to Kimkins,,,, etc etc......
I say.. attack the scammer, and educate the young.
they are alternatives to fighting..........
If one email leads to another email,,, to another,, that is the way to do it.
One thing does lead to another........
Does anyone have yahoo groups set up for anti kimkins?????/
MM
02-11-2008, 03:22 PM
Naw,, too many blogs to skim over.
Quote:
| Originally Posted by TerryC Martina - that was so like thread 10 ago. We gave up thinking heidi was bonnie back in the stone age, didn't you know? |
Naw,, didnt know, I kinda got put off with info bout this chicken broad livin in Riversaid.
MM
02-11-2008, 03:23 PM
Sorry, Gin kickin in
Thats riversIDE I mean
MM
02-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Wellyeah,, that and MayberryFan
Is that Daughtry you got for an Avitar thingy???
02-11-2008, 03:37 PM
Did someone pass Gas???
What,,, a faux pau in passing?????
MM
02-11-2008, 03:43 PM
OKAY...seriously,
Alright.. So YOU ALL know,, that I've been in the KNOW... but what the hell has happened to this TIPPY TOE broad that was the PR person, the one that was on the MJ show...
Is she still in cahoots or has she formed this campcarb away???/
Just curious... Daughtry rocks!
02-11-2008, 03:54 PM
Naw... waitin for her butt to be named as a defendant
Naw,,, honestly,, just wondering what the hell happened to her.
MM
02-11-2008, 03:55 PM
KAT IN SAC!!!!!!!!
Yes,, I am a newbie... and YEP... your still one of the TRUE AMERICANS.....like I said earlier.
MM
02-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Yeah I like that post too.. See,,, another giggle for me/
Well yeah.. I'm sure by now your czechin my name against the russian war bride sites of 1945...LOLOL
MM
02-11-2008, 03:58 PM
Oh,, I also forgot......
I'm a male Lesbian
MM
02-11-2008, 03:59 PM
OOOPS........
IS IT TOO LATE TO TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MM
02-11-2008, 04:10 PM
Well, got everyone thinkin....
Ok all, I am a going. Just, ya know. Anger in your heart is bad....bad...MMMMMOKAY.......so, just let the issues get to justice. God is out to protect all of us people in the only way possible.
This matter and situation has affect a great many people in the world, in more ways that can be described.
In politics, we have a shaky economy, in the world dinamic we have the occupations of
They are flowers out there in this world people.
TAKE TIME TO SIT AND THINK OF THE GOOD THING IN LIFE....
and stop and smell some roses.
I promise I will drop by from time to time.
No.. not someone who is making light......
Heidi, is perhaps the biggest damn lyer in the world. But certain truths of realities have hit home for me.
Keep up the good fight, smile, relax, and be good to one another.
MM
Friday, March 7, 2008
Kimmer Lies to the AG Again
Today, I received a letter from the Attorney General of California with a response to my complaint about Kimkins. It was practically identical to the one Magicsmom received in January.
The "private reason" given on Kimkins' admin board, as sent to the AG, was a copy of a post on ALC that was made more than 4 weeks after I was banned.
I was banned on September 27th, and the post copied from ALC is dated October 22nd.
The Kimkins letter to the AG further states that "She still retains full usage of the Kimkins weight loss program including the diet, diet variations, food list, grocery shopping lists, recipe library, BMI calculator, calorie calculator and other diet aids. ". This is a lie. When trying to log in at Kimkins, I get a message that says:
And Tippy, you have always claimed that you had nothing to do with my banning. How come the "private reason" on Kimkins is a post about you that I copied to ALC from LCF? And what about the reference "per Jeannie"?
Monday, March 3, 2008
Tippy Toes Admits Acting as a Kimmer Sockpuppet
Tippy has still not publicly denounced the Kimkins Diet, and has not apologized for her role as a PR person and admin at Kimkins. Perhaps she is still of the same opinion she voiced when she tried to sign up at Amy's Eating Low forum that Medusa reported on:
"I suppose I am expected to make some sort of apology but really I am not sure what I am supposed to say."
In a statement by Tippy made on Mayberryfan's blog the other day she says:
"I feel extremely guilty for what I said to Christin and Deni on TV. Not that it makes it right but I was scripted by Heidi as to what to say to them."
Is this an apology? Blaming Kimmer? Didn't you say this on National TV? Even worse, if you didn't agree with it, you lied. Was the money worth it?
And then Tippy goes on to say that she didn't believe anything that Christin, Deni and Becky said until AmyB complained about the same problems:
"I do think back about Kimkins members complaining of being so cold all the time and I wonder now if their thyroids were screaming out to stop. But at the time I was cold losing weight too and thought it was just the way it was. I didn't believe what was being said about hair loss as I have mine BUT when AmyB started complaining I began to question her privatly. It was Amy who made me see the truth. And the truth is there are some serious side effects to Kimkins. I thought it was from doing the plan behind the plan, and that may well be but upon further digging I now see the plan behind the plan was THE plan for a long time as preached by "Kimmer". I apologize to those whom I didn't believe. Kimmer assured me it wasn't true, the Ducks were making these things up, and well, since I didn't suffer hair loss, I believed her--until I heard it from AmyB."
We did see the rant on LCF about the "Ducks" all being created by Catherine, the former business partner. What I can not understand is why it was easier to believe Kimmer, at the time a confirmed liar, than the former admins, Cutie, Kiki and all the people on LCF that you have known for years. Were we all liars, being orchestrated by Catherine? Was it the money that made Kimmer more believable than the rest of us?
With regards to Kimmer's sockpuppets on Kimkins, Tippy says:
"She asked me to take over for "Danielle" in the Bootcamp forum as "Danielle" was away. She later causually mentioned she was Danielle, as if I had know it all along."
Kimmer probably thought it was so obvious that "Danielle" was a sockpuppet so she couldn't believe you didn't know. The rest of us don't have much problem identifying sockpuppets over there. So what happened when you found out? Did you leave Kimkins? Demand that she stop using sockpuppets?
In an additional comment, Tippy says that the Ducks are "making fun of, bashing and exploiting posts of Campers". Where are these posts? I haven't seen them. (Well, with the exception of the huggiessssssss Fawn).
If Tippy refers to the post I made about maintenance, I actually thought she would be flattered to be mentioned together with Christin and Deni. I was mistaken. Tippy did not want to blame Kimkins for her problems to find a maintenance plan.
I especially love how Tippy talks about the Ducks. Still referring to us as if another species, she is now saying:
"I am starting to understand Ducks are not bad people."
Starting to understand? Bad people? So the hundreds of people posting on LCF with the combined goal of removing kimkins.com from the internet and bring Heidi to justice were considered bad people?
And as a reason for not speaking out Tippy claims:
"I have been silenced due to a bann from LCF. And I got banned from Eating Low too, as you may recall. I tried the blog but I was bombed with so much meanness and I found myself reacting very unkindly as a result. I can't allow myself to become that so I pulled the blog down and decided to just stay within Camp."
While I agree that the blog attempt didn't work out well, I would suggest you try it again. I, for one, really want to hear what you have to say. Not having access to the Camp, I can not see what you are saying there, unless it gets reported to me. Perhaps not accepting comments on your blog would allow you peace to write down what you want to say.
Sunday, March 2, 2008
Kimkins in Las Vegas
Kimkins is planning a gathering in Las Vegas on July 18 - 20, 2008.
Do Kimkins members really believe that Kimmer intend to be there?
The court hearing for the Class Action Lawsuit is scheduled for July 15th! Is she planning to go to Vegas to drown her sorrows? I'm sure she will not have anything to celebrate.
And remember that this is a woman that is "shy" and suffers from agoraphobia. While we know that that isn't true, we do know what she said when discussing the previously planned Kimkins cruise:
"What a “relaxing” 5 days that would be. Staring, photos, whispering and full blog exposes when I return … not to mention sitting across the table from Jimmy. And don’t forget the stalkers. I never considered the cruise as a personal safety issue before."
Or, when the cruise organizer, Regandy, left Kimkins, remember how Typo Toes explained why a cruise wouldn't be a good idea:
"We have decided that a cruise would present a safety hazzard for Kimkins members as well as staff. However, rest assured we have some new gathering ideas in the works for next year. What we have in mind will be better and will geer more in tuned with Kimkins diets than an all you can eat fest cruise. I have cruised many times and it is not possible in my opinion to not gain some weight. So we are making positive changes in this area as well."
I don't see that the Vegas buffets would "geer more in tuned with Kimkins diets" than a cruise would, but of course, Tripsy is no longer at Kimkins. Her camping idea left to The Camp with Tippy herself. The cruise did take place, but not as a Kimkins event and no Kimkins admins were present.
Kimmer is chatting away on Kimkins as if she really intends to go to Las Vegas. She is discussing how to find good airfares and hotel rates. Just two days ago, she cautioned:
"Is everyone checking into flights & hotels? Booking ahead may get you a price bargain (or not risk the hotel you want being sold out during the popular summer Vegas season)."
Why would she even suggest members spend money on buying airline tickets and paying for hotels? If you book a hotel package deal, you pay up front. Airline tickets are always paid in full at the time of booking. Kimmer must take pleasure in hurting people, physically and financially. I just hope that anybody that books this trip finds a way to enjoy themselves on their own. Don't expect Kimmer to be there. (Actually, if it were me, I would much prefer Kimmer not being there.)
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