Saturday, February 16, 2008

Internet Trolls

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Heidi Diaz, aka Kimmer of Kimkins, is causing a lot of turbulence in the online lowcarb community. Is Kimmer a troll herself? For sure she has appeared as a troll under different names on LCF on numerous occasions. Even on Kimkins, as we well remember Wonderwoman and Melt's rants.

Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

The Ducks on the Fascination with Kimmer thread are repeatedly accused of being unwelcoming to newbies and labeling any not previously known person as a troll. Prudentia calls it Friendly Fire.

So why would the Ducks react this way? It is all Heidi's doing! Kimmer is to blame!

MissMerize said:
I have come across other people getting scammed on the web, but the difference was that it was just a financial scamming. When a thing affects your physical and mental health I think it is in a whole other category. Heidi came in like an odorless poisonous gas. She used pictures and words to describe herself as a breath of fresh air. It wasn't until we all inhaled it for a while that we got sick. We were lured into a false sense of security. We appeared to be getting healthier at first and that led us to inhale more and more of the noxious fumes. Fumes like these can change the brain chemistry.

Most of us that have been touched by Kimmer's scam, whether we did the Kimkins Diet or not, have gotten a rude awakening with regards to trusting internet posters on bulletin boards. It was so easy for Kimmer to convince us that she was who she pretended to be. Hardly anybody questioned her as a person, or questioned her success as a dieter during the 6 years she posted on LCF. Why would we? There didn't seem to be any reason for her to be dishonest. Now, we know better. Heidi is a Lying Liar that Lies.

A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly na├»ve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations.

Is it strange then that the hackles come up when a new poster appears on the scene? Especially if this poster has an opposing opinion or is using confusing language? How would we know that it's not a troll? While the common advice is "do not feed the troll" I personally think this is necessary in order to find out if it's a troll or not.

And one final quote from Wikipedia:
Godwin's Law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Hmm. Didn't Tippy Toes refer to the Ducks as "terrorists"?


Anonymous said...

This is precisely why I did not apologise to Martina via Prudentia's blog. If it walks like a troll, speaks like a troll ... Martina followed the well-worn footsteps of many trolls before her, except that she was even more cryptic than usual. Her comments sounded whiskey-soaked and she claimed to be soused. Fine. When she delivers something solid and of benefit to the Fascination ducks, then I will make my apologies. Until then, she is on probation.

Mayberryfan said...

I'm with you! I don't know if Yucky is right about Martina's true identity. I rather doubt it. I believe Martina was Heidi. Perhaps she picked the name to poke fun at Catherine's husband - isn't his name Martin?

When it's trolls vs. ducks, ducks win EVERY time!

Mjr said...

I agree with the above comments and said so on Prudentia's blog. Martina was looking for trouble and low and behold, she found it. But, I must say, this time she was met with much more restraint. I think the ducks are learning to keep their blood pressure in check while dealing with trolls. If she did have something of value to contribute to the cause, she could have (should have) presented it in a very different manner. Credibility is a very strong word (virtue).

Yucky's AntiDottieBrigade said...

Too bad Dottie's afflicted with Hall Monitor Syndrome. What, are we children, we need to be protected from icky people's icky posts? The fascination thread is NOT "low carb friends" -- it's unique and a magnet for odd bits of enlightenment from trolly sorts, and the continued mother hening from Dottie and/or whoever else to whose head has gone the power of being in charge of a delete button does not have the best interests of the investigation at heart.

Anonymous said...

I highly doubt Tippy would pretend to be Martina and then ask what happened to Tippy. Why in the world would Tippy put herself back in hot water? Clearly this was once again Heidi. Her motive was simple. It was to take the heat of her other diet website, MCD. Put the heat on Tippy, put the heat on the Ducks, put the heat anywhere but in her corner.

Do you recall that Kimmer asked Fawn to start blogging? All so she could take those passive aggressive shots at Tippy. And must we not forget the Diets In Review from the Kimmer. To me it looks as if Kimmer is still trying to use her as the fall guy.

Kimmer, nice try but the Ducks will never let you off the hook. Never.

2BIG said...

There is a huge difference between bring a new person in the facination topic which Prudentia claims MM was and popping in with the actual posts MM posted. one doesn't appear out of nowhere and say as their opening line

Kimmer did JFK


Did you guys also know that Kimmer was on the Grassy Knoll too???/ Geeze, sweet Geezers...MM

then the very next post on the topic 5 min later is from none other then MM

I lost 650 lbs on the magic chicken diet.


Did you know, one BANNED Camp, I met a bunch of chicks livin in Los Angels that starred in a movie with Jimmy Snores, and they did a movie where they were eating La Vida Carb Chocolate Bars and......uh..... They were Medusas, and Marisols, and Youtbes of a fat Kimmer,, and uh....Some chick in Texas was...uh.....Geeze, FOR THE LOVE GOD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....MM

and 3 min later
after Terry has replied about not believing the 650 pounds

Oh Forgot the DUCKS,


Quack you people....Quack......
Dosent ANYONE honestly understand....THIS MATTER IS IN A COURT OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!. Let the LAW deal with the whole situation..


sure doesn't look like MM was a friend arriving with important info for the legal case to share.

nope MM arrived firing and went down in flames that night.

mariasol said...

anonymous - Interesting comment. It hadn't occurred to me to connect Tippy to Martina, but you are right that Martina did ask about her. Hmm.