Kimkins Scam on Headline News

INSIDER EXCLUSIVE

An abbreviated version is available on YouTube

Magicsmom did a fantastic job of representing the plaintiffs in the Class Action Lawsuit against Kimkins.

Magicsmom was an early member of Kimkins, did try the diet (which backfired on her like it does for many, many people) and has been banned for no reason. She was a very good representative for the complaints we have against Heidi Diaz.

Magicsmom is telling her story from the taping on Magicsmom's Musings

And as always, our wonderful Grilled Cheese with Pickles has provided a transcript for those that are unable to watch the video.

Revisiting the MCD

Timeline:

• We discover the MCD on December 10, 2007
• The MCD website goes down on December 13, 2007
• Hulon Pate, Bonnie's son-in-law, leaves a comment on my blog on December 14, 3:30 AM
• On December 15 (according to Tippy's shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website
• On December 17 the MCD website is back up with some minor design changes to the front page
• On December 21, Yucky reports that the shutdown was due to a billing issue and not a copyright infringement
  
• A new forum software is installed on January 31st, wiping out all old posts. The new forum by-passes the paid-member sign in process, leaving it open for anyone to sign up. The link is still open, 10 days after it was broadcast on my blog.
  

Re-reading Hulon's comment, I found many phrases commonly used by the LCF drive-bys. And while I don't for a second doubt that he wrote this, I think someone told him what to write. Read his posts at dallasdancemusic forum and judge for yourself. He posts as "vinylspotter" there. Or, check out his MySpaces: vinylspotter and Lonestardjz.

This is Hulon's comment from December 14:

Here is it is for the record. My name is Hulon Pate, im 33 years old and Bonnie & David Son in law.

David and Bonnie Own a Candle buisness. Now that being said its a full time buisness like any thing when you work for your self and dont punch a time clock.

When she lost her weight her freinds and family suggested they write a book or web site. They decided on a web site. This is 2007, the internet world at large, they started this web site on the basis of her own weight loss story and not in fact, trying to capitalize on kimskins road to ruin. They spent thousands of dollars, and more thousands of hours building this from the ground floor up.

They are genuine people who work hard for there piece of pie in life. I have no intrest in this except that Kimkins is a fraud period. Bonnies susscess is real as is her weight loss story. People being critical of her weight loss program, well being fat is by far more of a health risk.

People say Why charge well, its the same reason people charge large amounts for clothes. If they were cheap who the hell would ever want them. Nothing worth while is ever free. The same goes for Bill Gates, he has more money, than most of the richest people on earth, yet he still charges for his computers and software.

Bonnies underlieng factor in this was not to get rich over night, but to simply to afford surgery, to replace the brest she lost 18 years ago to breast cancer. Kimkins by every account is a fraud. yet her people had go daddy take down there site today as of Dec 16th 2007, with a formal complaint that they ripped off her forums and diet content for food. Now all things being equal, all diets or for that matter simular buisness will have manny of the same, concepts and products listed. How could a diet program not be simular? Atkins is simular to Kimkins as well as most any other diet that would actully result in weight loss. Eating less, healthier food choices. how can any one be so stupid and not see this. If you sold, a service online and some one elese started the same buisness, online how could it not have mirroring ideas and products and details. Bonnie and David did not steal nor borrow or in fact have any ideas about kim kins or there diet or web site period. Untill the news brought up her being a complete liar. THere both too busy with there other obligations to there, professions.

They didnt rip kimkins off, they didnt borrow any ideas. If you even knew these people you know, it took guts and courage and most important money to do this web site. This all really started this week honestly, and kim kins and her flunkies are waging a smear campaign on Bonnie Luper. A woman who has survived brest cancer. I got wedding photos to show her in 2003, that she was once a verry large woman. And now she is living life and happy. Hell its minorly snowed on Thanks Giving Day, and she was running around and playing in it. The First time I remember seeing Bonnie was in Dec 2002, she was in a parking lot crying, eating a hamburger, upset by her lack of will power. She is by far a much happier person this day. All you nuts who doubt her, will soon see, she is 100% real, and isnt out to screw any one.

Kimmmers and her group are out to trow mud and keep her TRUE SToREY, offline, because as you might all know, New years Brings the most buisness for Weightloss programs such as, Weight Watchers, and Jenny Craig. Bonnie Luper did not create the lies of Kim kins. Shes much too busy of a person to even, have time to copy cat any one for any reason. You all must either all be unemplyed or have no lifes what so ever to be so envolved in the mud slnging that is going on, and I have a sneaky feeling that Kimmers has a certian few of you on the payrole.

This wasnt some over night get rich quick scam. I saw bonnie, Eating CHicken,back in 05& 06 most of the time out of a can from Costco, which all of out family enjoys,shopping at. There are manny Candle makers in our family.

Just like maybe some of you went the first person to cut hair for a living or sell cars, or become a florest. THis is kimmers sitting at home with her suitcases of money,that she scammed from people.
Trying to keep up her income and trying to keep a real woman who actully lost wieght from getting the spot light, that she deserves.
{you guys do know the day before her assets were frozen she, bought a house for cash money?}


YOu people are sitting there, on your computers, should you have a job or dont. Most dont realize what it takes to start a buinsess.
Most wouldnt have a clue.

Kimkins is going to cringe when, more bad press comes out that because shes a liar, shes trying to hurt a woman, who is a breast Cancer surviver. Kimkin I know your readin this, if you in fact can read or have enough money some ones reading this for you. If you would just follow, Bonnies diet you could loose weight, and wouldnt have to hide from the world at large. you know Bonnies Diet is better and shes the real deal and you cant stand it. Just know, that you cant ever remember the lie, but the truth is easy to tell. God have Mercy on your Soul Kimmers your fixxing to need it.

Bonnies Liable to come beat Kimkins ASS!

Photo from Christmas 2007 on Lonestardjz MySpace
(It might illustrate his state when he wrote the comment)

Wannabe Duckies Hard at Work

Searching for Sockpuppets....

SingingLass wants Attention

SingingLass has been a member of LCF since 08/25/2004 and was posting, starting in June 2006, as a "regular" dieter until she joined Kimkins in June 2007.

Singing Lass has since made some posts on FWK, in support of Kimkins. But on March 16, Singing Lass chose to create a sockpuppet on LCF, LittleSina, drawing attention to the (Warning: Do not click on the AOL link. IP tracker on the site) AOL member page that hosts Singing Lass' old pictures and songs.

Perhaps Singing Lass wanted to show herself in a positive light, before the less flattering post would come up on AmyB's blog. Surely Singing Lass knew of what was to come. She is a psychic after all.

As Singing Lass wants attention, let's provide the links to other places where she has an online presence as well:

She is posting as MagicSong on the Work At Home Moms' Psychic Reader Forum where she is a member since 07/17/2006. I don't have the time (nor the interest) to wade through her 1000+ posts on this forum. However, I found it interesting that a year ago she "made fun" of how much more she was earning compared to her sister's "regular" job, but in March this year (2008) she was complaining that the payment in March would be a week later and that caused problems for her to pay her bills.

Singing Lass has a profile up on Kasamba where she uses the name PsychicMagicSong. She charges $9.99 per minute and claims to be an expert in "Soulmate Connections". She further says:

"I can provide readings on most any topic, however my personal favorite and strong area is with relationship issues. As a very strong empath/ borderline telepath I am able to look into people and discover who they are, and how they feel and see--and why."

Wow! Why would she then need to use sockpuppets on kimkins if she can "read" the members directly? No need for any disguise.

She continues:
"I can do readings on future circumstances--as well as present and past. I also can provide timelines for when things should happen. I estimate length of time much like judging the length of a piece of ribbon..I go from the present point and feel outwards along the "thread" to when the event will occur."

So can we get an accurate prediction for when Kimkins.com will close?

And lastly:
"Free will means that our lives are based off of the choices we make...and yes, impacted by the choices and actions of others as well."

Singing Lass might want to consider where her "free will" is presently leading her.


ETA: Thanks to MrsM for the LittleSina tip! (see comment on my earlier post)

Deception on the Internet

Photo Illustation: Christopher Griffin

This story has nothing to do with Kimkins and Heidi Diaz, but I think there are parallels in showing how easy it is to create an online persona that has little to do with the real person behind it.

An IM Infatuation Turned to Romance. Then the Truth Came Out.

Singing Lass in the Spotlight

As an aspiring opera singer, Kimkins Admin Singing Lass, aka Delaney Deaver, most likely loves being in the spotlight. However, being in the spotlight of the Kimkins scandal is not going to be an accomplishment she would want to add to her resume.

Delaney has refused to leave Kimkins despite being encouraged to do so repeatedly by LCF posters and even her former "friend" and co-conspirator Tippy Toes.

Delaney doesn't seem to realize the trouble she is facing. By continuing to support a fraud, she may be liable for legal repercussions. Despite this, she is a staunch supporter of Kimmer and Kimkins and has appeared on national TV twice to support the Kimkins Diet.

The class action lawyer, Tiedt, plans to depose Singing Lass and any other Kimkins admins (even though I think the sock puppet Gary may be excused). If Delaney has not contacted a lawyer on her own by now, I suggest she probably should.

WHAT IS A DEPOSITION?

A deposition is one of the methods that lawyers can use to find out information to help prepare a case for trial. Normally, a deposition can be taken of anyone who may have relevant information about the facts of the case.

The person who is deposed is called the deponent. At your deposition, you are able to have your attorney present. Normally, the other lawyer is also present as is the opposing party. In the room also is a court reporter who will take notes and make sure that the deposition is properly recorded. The deposition can be recorded by tape, typed up with a special transcriber machine, and/or placed on videotape. You will be placed under oath and the attorney for the other side can ask you questions about your case. Your attorney will be able to object to the questions asked, if appropriate. After the deposition is completed, either side can ask that it be typed up (transcribed.)

The most important thing you can do at your deposition is to tell the truth. You are initially placed under oath and you have sworn to tell the "truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."




Singing Lass might want to listen to Tippy Toes:

"You may not realize it, but the deposition is evidence that may be used against you in not only this lawsuit but any other(s) which may follow. You must tell the truth, of course. Claiming you barely talk to Heidi as you have done here may come back to haunt you later. You should be aware that your computer may be siezed as evidence. If you are caught lying on the depo in contrast to what will be found on your computer (deleted or not–it’s all still there and will surface) you may be held accountable for the Kimkins scam."

Edited to add:
Grilled Cheese with Pickles has a message for Singing Lass: Smarten Up!

Twisting the Truth

Kimmer copies information from various sites to her blog, typically without reference to the source. She also has no problem editing the text to suit her purposes.

In a post today, titled "High Fat Diets and High Blood Pressure", Kimmer says:

"In a study of healthy young women, one group ate a high fat fast food breakfast while another group ate a healthy balanced one.

Two hours later the women performed a stressful task.

The fast food group didn't fare so well and their blood pressure readings went haywire from the stress. The healthy eaters fared fine.

This "inflammatory response" happens at all times of the day after high fat meals."

She credits ".. Journal of Nutrition 2007"

While I didn't find the original article in "Journal of Nutrition", I did find it on RealAge. While the result is still misinterpreted on RealAge (blaming fat instead of carbs), they at least include the correct information about the meals being compared in the study:

"In a study of healthy young women, one group was given a fatty fast-food breakfast (two hash-brown patties, a sausage breakfast sandwich, and an egg breakfast sandwich), while another group took a low-fat morning meal (cereal, skim milk, fat-free yogurt, fruit bar, and orange juice)."

How can this study be used to support the Kimkins Diet? It's comparing high carb/high fat with high carb/low fat. How is that relevant to a low carb diet?

But perhaps Heidi was pressed for time today, with the court hearing and all. Just grabbed the first thing that she came across. How much difference is a little more fraud going to make?

Writ of Attachment

John Tiedt, the plaintiffs' lawyer in the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit, reports that the Writ of Attachment still stands.

A writ of attachment is a court order to 'attach' or seize an asset. It is issued by a court to a law enforcement officer or sheriff. The writ of attachment is issued in order to satisfy a judgment issued by the court. A prejudgment writ of attachment may be used to freeze assets of a defendant while a legal action is pending. Common grounds for obtaining a prejudgment writ of attachment are that a defendant has committed fraud or that a defendant is prepared to hide assets from a court.

Yucky is Ducky

That's what Tippy says.

But then Tippy has been wrong before. She had "proof" that Melly was Ducky. She had "proof" that the Banta Babes were out to "get her":

In a PM September 20th (my first blog post was Sept. 22 so that's not what she refers to as the "link"):
I also see some of the Banta are out to get me. Have no idea to this day what went wrong. Nor why they insist on inserting the knife into my back as deeply as it will go. I know who is behind the major slamming and it does link back to them. All I ever wanted was to see them all get to goal too. They seemed to want that at the time. So what--because the couldn't do it I am bad? Please.


What is Paranoid Personality Disorder?
Paranoid personality disorder is characterized by a distrust of others and a constant suspicion that people around you have sinister motives. People with this disorder tend to have excessive trust in their own knowledge and abilities and usually avoid close relationships. They search for hidden meanings in everything and read hostile intentions into the actions of others. They are quick to challenge the loyalties of friends and loved ones and often appear cold and distant. They usually shift blame to other people and tend to carry long grudges.

Symptoms of Paranoid Personality Disorder:
* Unwillingness to forgive perceived insults
* Excessive sensitivity to setbacks
* Distrustfulness and excessive self-reliance
* Projection of blame onto others
* Consumed by anticipation of betrayal
* Combative and tenacious adherence to personal rights
* Relentlessly suspicious

For who Ducky really is, see this post by Medusa: Just Ducky....

Blowing the MCD tip

One week ago, I posted an open link to the forum at the Magic Chicken Diet. As this happened shortly before the "Blame Everything on Yucky/Mimi Day" yucky got unfairly accused of "blowing the MCD tip".

As far as I understand, yucky saw the link on my blog, and then posted it. At least it wasn't at yucky's when I did my post.

I can be wrong. Surely yucky had received this "tip" a long time ago as the link has been open since the new MCD forum was put in place on January 27th. Still, if someone is to blame, it is I. I take full responsibility for "blowing the MCD tip".

I didn't check with anyone before posting the link to find out if this was approved by the "Blogger's Code of Conduct" that I still have not received a copy of. My tipster didn't have a problem with me posting the link either. We just found it hilarious. The ineptness of it all.

It seems that I stepped on many toes by posting the link, and for that I am sorry. I spoiled the chance for this being kept "behind the scenes" so that people could "spy" on the MCD from the inside. Assuming that a number of visits by Guest would have gone undetected. Assuming that there actually was something to spy on.

By the way, the link is still open. It seems that Bonnie doesn't care or doesn't know how to fix it. Perhaps she appreciates getting some new members. Surely nobody in their right mind would pay $69.95 to join this forum. Or, if they did, would immediately request their money back when they found out what a joke of a forum this is.

Why Tippy left Kimkins

From an email posted on AmyB's blog:

In a message dated 11/28/2007 6:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, baitingerjeannie@yahoo.com writes:

Hi Delany. Sadly, I have made the decision to leave Kimkins. I do not want to be called in for deposition as you know. So I am out. Makes me sad but I have to protect myself.
How are you doing? Did you see the pics of her house??? I can’t open them cause even using the cloak the pics know I am banned. I’ll get someone to send them.
I admit I was stunned she had 1.6 million in cash. I am also stunned she paid cash for both cars when she was telling me she can’t make the car payment. Really, that lie was the deal breaker for me to stick myself in the noose for her. She had a chance to come clean and we both helped her make a fresh start. So why? Why lie to us? Is this just habitual? I just can’t say…
What will you do now? And I see Gary is MIA too.


To promote a nutritionally deficient diet to members and to defraud people of money by banning them didn't bother Tippy at all. She is only thinking about herself.

Tippy: Why don't you go over to and read the stories on Kimkins Survivors. I assure you that they are not "fictional charactors". These are REAL people that were HURT by Kimmer and by YOU.

Visit to the Magic Chicken Diet Forum

A very smart Duck found out that there is FREE ACCESS to the Magic Chicken Diet forum.

Just go ahead and register, and you instantly have full access to the forum! I'm sure the very few members that are there will be happy too see an increase of posts. Bonnie might like it too as she isn't a big poster herself and might appreciate the help.

Update:
Another very smart Duck just told me that you don't have to register to read the board. Just click on "Forum Index" on the upper left side and you can read all the posts.

Magic Menu

Picture shows "modified menu", Tuesday. Calorie count: 612

Magic Chicken Diet Menu:

MY SAMPLE MENU PLAN

	Monday	Tuesday	Wednesday	Thursday	Friday	Saturday	Sunday
Breakfast	4 chicken strips	4 Chicken strips	4oz. Thin slices grilled turkey breast	4 oz. grilled turkey breast	4 Chicken strips	4 Chicken strips	4 Chicken strips
Snacks	1 chicken strip or 1 cheese stick	1 chicken strip or 1 small peach	1 chicken strip & diet jello	4 -5 Strawberries & diet jello	1 cheese stick & diet jello	Diet jello & 4 or 5 berries	1 cheese stick & diet jello
Lunch	Grilled Chicken Salad	Grilled Chicken Salad	Grilled Chicken Salad	Grilled Chicken Salad	Grilled Chicken Salad	Chicken Wrap (see recipe)	Grilled steak 8oz. steak & grilled zucchini, bell peppers
Snacks	4-5 strawberries and diet jello	1 cheese stick & diet jello	1 chicken strip or 4 strawberries	Chicken strip & diet jello	1 sm. Peach & diet jello	Chicken strip & diet jello	4-5 strawberries & diet jello
Dinner	Grilled chicken filet & steamed broccoli	Chick-k-bobs & salad (see recipe)	Gortons frozen baked fish & green veggies	Chicken fajita wrap (see recipe)	Bacon wrapped shrimp skewers, steamed broccoli(see recipe)	Baked chicken cheese melt & spinach	Turkey breast, steamed veggies
Snacks	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello

MODIFIED SAMPLE MENU PLAN

	Monday	Tuesday	Wednesday	Thursday	Friday	Saturday	Sunday
Breakfast	1 scrambled egg & 2 slices bacon	1 boiled egg & 1 turkey sausage	1 poached egg & 2 slices bacon	1 scrambled egg & 1 turkey sausage	1 boiled egg & 2 slices bacon	1 egg cheese pepper bacon omelet	1 poached egg & 2 slices bacon
Snacks	½ grapefruit	2in. plum	5 strawberries	½ grapefruit	Sm. Nectarine	Sm peach	½ grapefruit
Lunch	Can of chunk white chicken breast stalk celery	Can of tuna in water 2 pickle spears	Grilled chicken salad	4 chicken strips 1 serving baby carrots	Frozen baked fish & side salad	Grilled turkey& grilled veggies	Grilled salmon & steamed broccoli
Snacks	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Diet jello	Sugar free popsicle
Dinner	Grilled lean pork chop green beans small salad	Chicken, broccoli, cheese casserole & small salad	6oz. grilled steak, grilled squash & cucumber, lettuce & tomato salad	Grilled catfish, green beans & salad	Steak, chicken , pepper,mushrooms,tomato & zucchini shish-k-bobs	Grilled lean pork chop broccoli cauliflower mix	Skinless rotisserie chicken breast spinach small salad
Snacks	Sugar free popsicle	Sugar free popsicle	Sugar free popsicle	Sugar free popsicle	Sugar free popsicle	Sugar free popsicle	Diet jello

MAGIC CHICKEN DIET – (MCD) - QUICK WEIGHT LOSS PLAN

Hopefully you will find the sample menu plans helpful for your own personal weight loss journey. I made one with basically the way I worked the program. The other is showing you a way you can substitute for what will work for you. The Magic Chicken Diet is a combination of low carbohydrate, low fat and low calorie diet all wrapped up in one. So when you are choosing what to eat please keep the 3 in mind and read labels. I lost a total of 160 pounds in only 10 months eating this way. I actually lost the first 100 lbs. in only 5 ½ months. Wow I still can’t believe it myself! I did it and you can too; that is if you want it bad enough. It’s up to you!

HEPFUL HINTS:
Try to keep your calories between 800 and 1200 a day. If you have a lot to lose you may have to start with 1200 a day until you get your stomach shrunk a little bit. If you want to lose a little faster then adjust your caloric intake for what you need.

Try to keep your carbohydrates between 15 and 30 carbs a day. Everybody’s body is different you may have to eat a little less carbs for your body to lose fast enough. When you hit a plateau cut those carbs completely out for a couple of days. I would do that and change my chicken to grilled turkey and it worked.

Try to keep your fat at 25 grams or less a day. Only buy lean meat and watch the fat in the cheese.

VEGETABLES ALLOWED

• Asparagus • Bell Pepper • Broccoflower • Broccoli • Brussel Sprouts • Cabbage • Carrots • Cauliflower • Celery • Cucumbers

• Greens • Green Beans • Jalapenos • Lettuce • Mushrooms • Okra • Spinach • Tomatoes • Yellow Squash • Zucchini Squash

If you want to lose a little faster just cut out a serving of veggies or the fruit for a couple of days.

If you want to lose a little slower just add an extra serving of fruit or veggies for the day.

If you are not in to losing weight really fast you can change your breakfast to a serving of Total cereal or Special K with skim milk but it does give you more carbs so watch it.

Try to eat a little something every couple of hours. I think it really helps speed up your metabolism.

Try to drink between 80 to 100 ounces of water a day. I have not myself but it is better for you if you can. I always drink Crystal Light, Tea with Splenda and Diet Drinks. If you really want to do great and cut back on sodium then drink Diet Rite Colas for your diet drink as it has no sodium or caffeine. If you are a coffee drinker then you can drink black coffee and if you need a sweetener use Splenda.

You can get Crystal Light Slurpees at most 7-11 or RaceTrac but also you can make your own.

Sugar Free Jello is a great snack and only 10 calories. Try all the different flavors and get creative and come up with your own blends.

When you go to fast food restaurants try their grilled chicken salads. Sonic has the very best; just don’t eat the onion ring they put on it. If it is too much temptation just tell them to leave it off. I don’t eat any of the dressing but if you need it get the spray dressing at the store that is only like 10 calories a spray. I ate Sonic Grilled Chicken Salads nearly every day when I worked my candle routes. After my stomach started shrinking I could just east half of it and then I would just snack on it a little at a time through out the day.

I do want to Thank Sonic very much as they do not know how much they helped me even though I have already told them. They didn’t seem too impressed; I think they are more into selling and promoting ice cream desserts, however it was really convenient having them in most of the little towns that I would go to. Sometimes I would also just order the grilled chicken sandwich without the bun or sauce and that was great too. Braums and Jack in the Box has great Grilled Chicken Club sandwiches with bacon and cheese. Don’t forget to cut out the bread and sauce.

Nearly all of your nice restaurants have grilled chicken meals or grilled fish with green veggies, or grilled zucchini and salads, so you can still go out and stick with this plan.

Once a week I enjoy a great (my personal choice, Ribeye) steak on the grill. When you get something besides chicken make sure you get the lean cuts.
If you don’t love chicken as much as I do you can substitute turkey and fish but I just love grilled chicken and the super fast results.

You can grill, bake or boil your meats.

No salt and if I can cut it out I’ll bet you can too. I used to use so much salt on nearly everything and I now can’t believe it. I don’t even miss it now and Mrs. Dash makes all kinds of wonderful spices so experiment and enjoy!

Once a month I treat myself to a nonfat yogurt twist from Costco they are great but just do it once a month because it does have carbs.

Chewing gum, sugar free helps keep you snacking when you don’t even know it. I always just chew ½ piece at a time. Even though most sugar free gum is just 1 carb it still adds up. If you chew your gum and then take it out of your mouth in order to eat something it does give you a minute to think about if you really want that bite of a temptation food. Remember once you swallow it you can’t taste it anymore. So ask yourself is it really worth it?

I never did through any of my weight loss exercise except for my normal route selling of candles. I do realize that I need to start now so that I can tone up, but it is not necessary. You may want to start out with just small walks to the corner and back as this will help you to lose the weight even faster.

If you ever have any questions feel free to email me, join in for our LiveChat, Forum or check out our Diet Blogger and I will be very happy to assist you in any way that I can. I just want everyone to feel as great as I do now!

The two biggest things that helped me the most was sniffing the food that I could not eat and the wonderful Sonic Grilled Chicken Salads.

Don’t forget to meet up with other members for additional support on our Diet Blogger and Forum boards. There are lots of great topics that should be very helpful through your weight loss journey.

Just remember this works if you really want it to. Stop making excuses now!

I will be adding more recipes and if you have any you want to share just post them in the recipe forum.

Don’t forget to check out the shopping list so you can see the many items you can buy at the store; just remember to stay in your range for the calories, carbs and fat for the day.

Your maintenance plan will be posted soon because I am just getting started on it myself!

Thank you and, I Wish You as Much Success as I
God Bless

Bonnie Luper


I can not figure out how to get tables to post properly, so here is a jpg of the menu.

Magic Chicken Diet Questions

Mayberryfan posted a number of questions to Bonnie Luper. I really hope Bonnie stops by and provides some answers. I have a few more:

What is the purpose of the Magic Chicken Diet site? To make money is obvious, but HOW is this supposed to happen?

How would anybody find the Magic Chicken? There is no advertising.

If you would happen to find it, WHY would you pay $69.95 to join? Based on the front page with Bonnie's pictures and success story? The only other success story is a fuzzy picture of Bonnie's sister. For the most recent addition, Angie, the pictures were not linked properly and do not show up.

Is the Magic Chicken Diet website just a failed "get rich quick" deal? Something that with a minimal investment will yield a high return, with hardly any effort on Bonnie's part? It certainly seems that Bonnie and David have little knowledge of how to edit websites, or how to run an online forum. How could they think that people would magically flock to the MCD, happily pay the membership fee and post away in an empty forum that Bonnie seldom visits?

Are David and Bonnie just incompetent and ignorant? If so, who gave them the idea of an online web support forum in the first place? Clearly, they don't know how to run one.

The MCD story started as follows:
05/02/2007: www.magicchickendiet.com is registered
06/10/2007: GetAFreelancer ad for a Kimkins clone

The WW kimkins article reached stores on 06/12 but would have been in mailboxes a week earlier. Therefore, it is possible that the Lupers did see the kimkins article and decided to recreate the success based on the article and not previous knowledge of kimkins.

However, they had already planned to do something on 05/02 when the site was registered. Bonnie claimed that she was going to write an e-book. Based on her "writings" on the MCD website, I highly doubt it.

07/20/2007: www.magicchickendiet.com is launched. Lifetime membership is $19.95 for the "first 200 members". Bonnie herself doesn't post until 09/11.

Around this time, it seems that Bonnie is very enthusiastic about the Magic Chicken Diet. She takes professional pictures and makes a slide show. She puts up two MySpace profiles with the slide show and additional pictures. The daughter of a friend makes a YouTube video.

A few marketing attempts are made. One Yahoo question, a couple on Craigs List but that's pretty much it.

12/09/2007: Price increase to $69.95 is announced, but still as an "introductory price for the first 200 members". There were about 20 members on the board at that time. What prompted the price increase? I doubt that any of the 20 had paid a dime as they all seemed to live close to Bonnie and most likely were "real life" friends.

Two of the early members with Bonnie are shown in the picture below, taken at Christmas 2007. These are the sisters that Bonnie announced as new success stories in her Christmas greeting on the front page. Pictures of them still haven't made it up on the site.


12/20/2007: The Lupers registered www.chickendiet.net. A few weeks later, some text comes up with google diet links but nothing specific to the Magic Chicken Diet.

01/31/2008: New board software is installed on MCD.com, wiping out the all old posts. All 70 of them.

02/06/2008: The magicchickendiet.net site went bonkers. Bonnie's husband, David, was mocking Bonnie's weight loss and linking to Medusa's, Yucky's and my blog even though we had not recently blogged about the MCD at the time.
AmyB asked Bonnie about it, but Bonnie didn't address the dot net site in her answer.

I doubt Mayberryfan or I will see any answers from Bonnie. But perhaps son-in-law Hulon will stop by and post a comment.

Martina's Martini

Martina's Martini that first appeared as a troll on LCF has since been identified as John Essex, an ex-husband to one of the principals on the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit.

In a post by Prudentia, it was suggested that John was "a person who was simply trying to lend aid to the cause of taking down Kimkins and Heidi Diaz in the only way they knew how. This person feared detection and so they attempted to communicate in a cryptic and at times a seemingly nonsensical fashion."

While Prudentia's post apparently resulted in establishing a communication with John Essex, I'm still at a loss to figure out what the purpose of it all was. Especially the posts on LCF. As they were deleted from there, I have recreated them here in my blog. My hope is that a Duck smarter than I may provide some insight to what they may mean.

You may also want to review the posts on Prudentia that followed her discussion with John:
May Martina's Martini Rest in Peace
Double-Minded...
Was I Duped?
Hello, Martina's Martini. We Meet Again.
What Happened to Honor Anyway

Don't miss the comments to Yucky's post:
po sledam Martina's Martini

And, there is bound to be updates on Medusa's new post:
NEWS FLASH!!! MARTINA'S MARTINI REVEALED...

John's LCF posts follow. Why would a person that has not met his ex-wife, the principal in the lawsuit, for over nine years dedicate so much time to research Kimkins and the Ducks? He seems to have intimate knowledge, not only of recent events, but has also looked into the history (mentioning Tippy Toes for example).

And, why is it that every time the Magic Chicken Diet is being discussed on LCF, trolls appear?

Martina's Martini
Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 11 (that remains after the thread was scrubbed)

02-11-2008, 01:49 PM
Kimmer did JFK

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Did you guys also know that Kimmer was on the Grassy Knoll too???/ Geeze, sweet Geezers...MM

02-11-2008, 01:55 PM
I lost 650 lbs on the magic chicken diet.

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Did you know, one time...at BANNED Camp, I met a bunch of chicks livin in Los Angels that starred in a movie with Jimmy Snores, and they did a movie where they were eating La Vida Carb Chocolate Bars and......uh..... They were Medusas, and Marisols, and Youtbes of a fat Kimmer,, and uh....Some chick in Texas was...uh.....Geeze, FOR THE LOVE GOD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....MM

02-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Oh Forgot the DUCKS,

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Quack you people....Quack......
Dosent ANYONE honestly understand....THIS MATTER IS IN A COURT OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!. Let the LAW deal with the whole situation..

LIFE...IS TOO SHORT FOR EVERYONE TO BECOME CONSUMED WITH THIS DAMN ISSUE!

02-11-2008, 02:07 PM
No.....BECAUSE

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Nope, Been watching this subject for months. Now mind you, they are things in this world that makes ya go...hmmm.. just like Mayberry friend has said, but cmon seriously. Life really is to short. I have seen how this has passionately enraged everyone. America, has had its history of scam artists, fakers, wackos, you name it. But one thing is for sure, the dedicated people of these numerous blogs have done their work. They are P.I.s and lawyers doing investigations, It seems like ALL of the low-carb communities have thought of this matter. Sometime everyone, ya gotta just let it go.
MM
besides that, happiness, is the total revenge on someone that has done ya wrong.

02-11-2008, 02:09 PM
Yeah Lisa, I don't spell very good either

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It doesnt take a biochemist to change the world either.

Bill Gates, didnt give a damn about bio-chem in college
mm

02-11-2008, 02:10 PM
Your Very Cute though Lisa,

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Smart and Cute

02-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Thats EXACTLY WHAT I mean

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Look, lots of things are, and have been happining behind all the scenes of this situation.

For those who DO, believe in Kharma, and God, do ya think this Kimmer person, will EVER be happy with herself.
Besides, EVERYONE who has had an effort in bringing this chick, and the site to Justice, to the courts. EVERYONE has had a hand in doing the right thing, and sending people to a healthier lifestyle. PEOPLE... don't forget the insanities. Since this began, it can be safely said, that by the pay it forward posts....THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE...Dieting will do it safely now.

If you have not began to steer the younger folks of the Nation away, then that should be a bigger focal point of efforts.

Yes, it is like trying to stop a wildfire, but these posts keep going more and more,,, and it drives people emotionally,,, which is not healthy,,,Psychologically.
MM

02-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Troll??? actually Im a GORGOUS LESBIAN!

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Ugh, now cmon Kat In Sac, you know they are lots and lots opf things going on behind the scenes
MM

02-11-2008, 02:34 PM
A Sad Post sufferer from the Kimkins Situation.

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Yeah that bout seems to be all their is about it. Innocent Bystander who for all its efforts, still seem to be a distant observer. When this matter does get resolved,,, maybe,, just maybe I'll reveal some sad but true...well truths. Yeah, I started drinkin again over again because of this. I found out about these situations, totally by accident, but in the postscripts of all that I have seen, It has deffinately not only stirred up my emotions. Dont take it the wrong way people. This diet, is dangerous, but they are more, and more, that know one really knows the cost of.

I am proud though, for the people involved taking a stand. That is how America was born. On a sunny spring day in 1776, a small band of people wanting to make a stand, changed the world. This has been proof that America still lives.

The subject matter though really is far from over. The parties and the lines have been drawn. We can only hope for a conclusion one day. They are life after a Kimkins diet.... A kimkins Lawsuit. In the mix is a secret of the existance of something. It is a life eternal that people need to understand, no matter their size.

I will continue to watch, learn, evaluate, and from time to time giggle.

I have never been on a diet in my life before, but this whole situation people, a chicken has come home to root from my life history, and I'd like to know what drove it. So, yeah I'll keep my mouth shut for now, but guys, You have done good work, AND PEOPLE... have LISTENED.
MM

02-11-2008, 02:40 PM
MJR OMG

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WOW, didn't think I was gonna be a lightning Rod this fast....WOW,
See, that's a giggle on this end for me so far today.
MM

02-11-2008, 02:46 PM
Yes TERRY You are right,

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Naw Terry,
They aint no secret codes. And yeah,,, EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE here that have wrote about the blogs and posts so intelligently about it HAS DONE good work. I think a few months ago when the gal from USC was doing research on this matter. I THINK SHE GOT TOTALLY OVERWHELMED over this whole matter, becasue, yeah Like I said before, THIS IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA POWERFUL, well that and Ronald Reagan, but...cmon now. Sometimetimes this matter,, has so enraged people.....

Anger, is not good. A hert in your heart isn't good.

SOmetimes,,, Everyone, step back from that anger moment on some of these issues. Justice is coming, slow but sure, in the meantime,
TERRY......

LOTS OF GREAT PEOPLE IVE MET AND SPOKEN TO........Great People....that have done GREAT WORK........

I like all people, I just dont wanna see them totally enthrualled.

MM

02-11-2008, 02:50 PM
On your blog

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On your blog you were quoting a "troll" that was stopping by.LOL\

Good blog btw,
MM

02-11-2008, 02:51 PM
And another thing,

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I do like cheese snadwiches with Pickles......
MM

02-11-2008, 02:56 PM
UH,,,,,,,,Yeah thats Right.

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And at my favorite bar, is my favorite drink called...A MARTINA'S MARTINI... So yeap,, you guessed it.......

And naw,, not a "TROLL" as everyone says.... I have justa been readin,,, puttin two and two together,, going.. HOLY COW........or well.. Holy DUCKS!!!!..

One of the thing that is so interesting bout all this is the collection of people. VERY VERY GOOD WRITING....

and well,, yeah I do feel bad about the situation with the diet thing, because, at one time, I had a friend named Karen, that died because of her diet, she did die of anerexia.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:06 PM
AND THAT... IS WHAT MAKES "YOU" A GREAT AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

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Well yeah, Kat In SAC,

But can I ask ya a question though... This "CHICKEN LADY" or whatever with the very same,, sorta web design.....What if she is Kimmer?????

Listen, KIMMMER,, got a hell of alot of money. In that one boost.. that one boost from sales from the almost free ad... this broad made 1.6 million or something like that. Ya got chicks like singinlass or what ever the hell her name is still going ra ra ra for her..etc etc....

What about the.."OTHER S#*@&%$@ BAGS" of the world,, that copy the same type scam over and o ver again. Can John Stop ALL OF THEM???????

Look, PT BARNUM,,,, the guy was the model of scam...false this false that...But he sprang a crap of PT Barnum wanna be's......

I forgot who said it... but cmon,, wildfires are HARD to put out....Has anyone,, and I mean anyone,, got to the very core of whiping out ANY DIET SCAMMING people....

For all I've read, honestly,, they are a scemmin La Vida guy out there,, doing his dammdest to pick up the old customers of Kimkins.....

Kimkins,, is just the start of it........they are many many layers to this onion,, because they are a buck to be made.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:15 PM
Who the hell is Hulon?????

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Yeah I know people, Your thinkin the Chicken lady is Kimmer again, if that is true, then have John tear into them. Just don't change the duck thing becasue, well that is too damn cute.
MM
PS...Who the hell is Hulon???

02-11-2008, 03:19 PM
And Yeah other Terry,I'm a real Person

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Yeah Other Terry Im a real person, and yeah, been impacted by this whole Kimkins thing. Just not gonna let no one know bout it. Not a litigant, could care less whther the dumb mentaly ill broad goes strait to jail. Just, ya know,, like I said, Everyone........Do NOT let this turn to an anger issue,,, to your hearts....To many blogs I been readin bout people feeling guilty over leading people to Kimkins,,,, etc etc......

I say.. attack the scammer, and educate the young.
they are alternatives to fighting..........

If one email leads to another email,,, to another,, that is the way to do it.

One thing does lead to another........

Does anyone have yahoo groups set up for anti kimkins?????/

MM

02-11-2008, 03:22 PM
Naw,, too many blogs to skim over.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryC Martina - that was so like thread 10 ago. We gave up thinking heidi was bonnie back in the stone age, didn't you know?

Naw,, didnt know, I kinda got put off with info bout this chicken broad livin in Riversaid.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:23 PM
Sorry, Gin kickin in

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Thats riversIDE I mean
MM

02-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Wellyeah,, that and MayberryFan

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Is that Daughtry you got for an Avitar thingy???

02-11-2008, 03:37 PM
Did someone pass Gas???

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What,,, a faux pau in passing?????
MM

02-11-2008, 03:43 PM
OKAY...seriously,

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Alright.. So YOU ALL know,, that I've been in the KNOW... but what the hell has happened to this TIPPY TOE broad that was the PR person, the one that was on the MJ show...

Is she still in cahoots or has she formed this campcarb away???/

Just curious... Daughtry rocks!

02-11-2008, 03:54 PM
Naw... waitin for her butt to be named as a defendant

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Naw,,, honestly,, just wondering what the hell happened to her.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:55 PM
KAT IN SAC!!!!!!!!

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Yes,, I am a newbie... and YEP... your still one of the TRUE AMERICANS.....like I said earlier.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Yeah I like that post too.. See,,, another giggle for me/

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Well yeah.. I'm sure by now your czechin my name against the russian war bride sites of 1945...LOLOL
MM

02-11-2008, 03:58 PM
Oh,, I also forgot......

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I'm a male Lesbian
MM

02-11-2008, 03:59 PM
OOOPS........

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IS IT TOO LATE TO TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MM

02-11-2008, 04:10 PM
Well, got everyone thinkin....

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Ok all, I am a going. Just, ya know. Anger in your heart is bad....bad...MMMMMOKAY.......so, just let the issues get to justice. God is out to protect all of us people in the only way possible.

This matter and situation has affect a great many people in the world, in more ways that can be described.

In politics, we have a shaky economy, in the world dinamic we have the occupations of Iraq and Afganistan with no end in sight. The computer world just gets more and more powerful.
They are flowers out there in this world people.

TAKE TIME TO SIT AND THINK OF THE GOOD THING IN LIFE....
and stop and smell some roses.

I promise I will drop by from time to time.
No.. not someone who is making light......

Heidi, is perhaps the biggest damn lyer in the world. But certain truths of realities have hit home for me.

Keep up the good fight, smile, relax, and be good to one another.
MM